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Re: Determination of standard SG uniforms and weapons
« Reply #15 on: December 17, 2018, 01:21:51 PM »

In my mind having folks walking in and out of a US military base in a commercially purchased pattern, not used by any military force, would raise a lot of questions.

To quote Wiki: 'MultiCam is a camouflage pattern designed for use in a wide range of conditions... [it] was designed for the use of the U.S. Army in varied environments, seasons, elevations, and light conditions.' It replaced both Desert and Woodland patterns, and while it is impossible for any pattern to be perfect in all environment, it seems to do well:





I read somewhere that while it doesn't help much on a snowfield, it blends in great with any foliage or dead trees that are around.

It is currently used by the US, UK, France, and Russian (e.g. all IOA nations except China), plus Canada and Australia, which seems to cover the majority of the personnel we have.

One thing to note is that artic camo isn't really a thing. In an artic environment you wear your normally assigned uniform with a lightweight snow parka and snow pants pulled over the top. Example: https://www.military.com/equipment/marine-snow-camouflage-uniform

Though if we insist on having multiple patterns, MultiCam does now come in specialist patterns for arid, tropic and alpine.
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Re: Determination of standard SG uniforms and weapons
« Reply #16 on: December 17, 2018, 02:15:29 PM »

In my mind having folks walking in and out of a US military base in a commercially purchased pattern, not used by any military force, would raise a lot of questions.

To quote Wiki: 'MultiCam is a camouflage pattern designed for use in a wide range of conditions... [it] was designed for the use of the U.S. Army in varied environments, seasons, elevations, and light conditions.' It replaced both Desert and Woodland patterns, and while it is impossible for any pattern to be perfect in all environment, it seems to do well:





I read somewhere that while it doesn't help much on a snowfield, it blends in great with any foliage or dead trees that are around.

It is currently used by the US, UK, France, and Russian (e.g. all IOA nations except China), plus Canada and Australia, which seems to cover the majority of the personnel we have.

One thing to note is that artic camo isn't really a thing. In an artic environment you wear your normally assigned uniform with a lightweight snow parka and snow pants pulled over the top. Example: https://www.military.com/equipment/marine-snow-camouflage-uniform

Though if we insist on having multiple patterns, MultiCam does now come in specialist patterns for arid, tropic and alpine.

 That was kind of the point I was trying to raise. Say the current SG-9 mission; the Green Beret will instantly recognize what we are without doubt. But if we turned up in a similar deployment wearing something totally strange we'd have a lot of explaining to do.
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Re: Determination of standard SG uniforms and weapons
« Reply #17 on: December 17, 2018, 02:33:14 PM »

I'd never considered dealings with regular military. In that case the multicam makes sense. While not universal, it is being used by Allied forces.


If we want to keep the green or blue outfits, restrict them to base operations only. Most likely you'll change upon arrival. Wouldn't do to have peo people walking around Colarado Springs with the SGC patches on display
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Re: Determination of standard SG uniforms and weapons
« Reply #18 on: December 17, 2018, 03:17:17 PM »

Okay, I was just trying to propose an alternative because there's already one against just going Multicam and was suggesting something different. Coming at me like I have no idea what I'm talking about isn't very productive at all. If we want to just got Multicam and Black, that's fine.
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Re: Determination of standard SG uniforms and weapons
« Reply #19 on: December 17, 2018, 04:42:07 PM »

Okay, I was just trying to propose an alternative because there's already one against just going Multicam and was suggesting something different. Coming at me like I have no idea what I'm talking about isn't very productive at all. If we want to just got Multicam and Black, that's fine.

 What you have proposed is great Cipher, no one is denying that. We just need a consensus of what will work with SG1. As of now this discussion doesn't affect SGA. FYI, I do like the SOPAT, I just want to be sure that is how the SGC would go.
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Re: Determination of standard SG uniforms and weapons
« Reply #20 on: December 20, 2018, 12:13:15 PM »

If there's a strict policy of not wearing uniforms on Earth outside the SGC, it's not as big of a deal if we go with a non standard pattern. For those missions requiring contact with regular military/civilian than the appropriate uniform can be worn.
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Re: Determination of standard SG uniforms and weapons
« Reply #21 on: January 08, 2019, 11:30:54 AM »

 All multi-national and US staffed teams will wear the new kit which is Multicam. All non US teams that are made up of say all Brit, or all French, will wear the approved kit of their country circa 2011. This is for off world only. If any nation chooses to wear the new kit off world that is their choice. Since most countries wear a variant of that, there will be few stores issues to cope with. The only addition is the SOPAT snow uniform for winter operations. Vests can be a personal choice

*Note* Images may not be accurate, they are merely a guide


MULTICAM



SOPAT SNOW



Urban operations will use either woodland or desert, depending on local conditions.

On base casual will be the SGC blue BDU's. The monotone green kit will be phased out.



Black with be used by SG4 (permanent option unless changed by the base CO) and any other team when the mission deems it fit to do so.

« Last Edit: January 08, 2019, 01:39:56 PM by Cipherhornet18 »
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Re: Determination of standard SG uniforms and weapons
« Reply #22 on: January 08, 2019, 11:51:36 AM »

You've got my support.
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Re: Determination of standard SG uniforms and weapons
« Reply #23 on: January 09, 2019, 08:33:57 AM »

It has been brought to my attention, that a bit of an issue between myself and others has been caused by a miscommunication and then me not noticing where the miscommunication came from. When I have used the phrase, in regards to SG-12's uniform, I did not mean that they wore civilian gear under their off world uniforms. But that as a UKSF Detachment they are provided money to buy combat gear as they see fit. UK Special Forces are not really issued anything special that is not issued to general soldiers. They have access to more specialist weapons as long as they are in use with in the British Army or Armed Police units.   But they are not wearing civilian T-Shirts. Under their tactical gear, they are wearing the normal green / brown issue T-shirts of the British Army. What I meant by they bought their own gear is, Instead of Fred wearing an SGC Tactical Vest or a British Osprey Plate Carrier (As they were not very good when Fred joined the Program in 2003) Fred wears a Falyye Tactical Modular Force Recon Vest (Which is a plate carrier not a Vest, ignore the misleading name) As its what UKSF are allowed and expected to do with the money coming from a fund provided by the MOD.
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Re: Determination of standard SG uniforms and weapons
« Reply #24 on: January 09, 2019, 08:54:19 AM »

 Thank you for clearing that up Bowsy. I should point out though at this point that Vests have never been an issue as it is common knowledge that members of the armed forces around the world quite often purchase after market vests in lieu of those issued; primarily because as most of us know service issued clothing is not always of the best quality. With this vests will be covered as part of the weapons discussion which will be taken up in a new post.

 I would however like to see some images of UK clothing that SG-12 would be wearing, pants, shirts and jackets. They won't be wearing T's in every situation.

 @Cipherhornet18 thank you  :yes:
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Re: Determination of standard SG uniforms and weapons
« Reply #25 on: January 09, 2019, 08:58:40 AM »

Well I dont think Vests, or plate carriers or anything should be limited I thing as you said people should be allowed to buy what works for them, and just pick a standard issue. I only brought it up as thats what I meant when I said by their own gear.

As for what they are wearing. I have gone through it elsewhere on the forum I shall see if I can find it.
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Re: Determination of standard SG uniforms and weapons
« Reply #26 on: January 10, 2019, 06:17:15 AM »

 Shouldn't be hard to do :)

>>>>> Weapons discussion<<<<<<<<<
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Re: Determination of standard SG uniforms and weapons
« Reply #27 on: January 10, 2019, 09:38:26 AM »

Unlike the tau'rì, the goa'uld use similar uniforms among them, most probably use the armor seen in the series, but others use lighter variations or wanting completely different ... on an aesthetic level, there is comparison. Our armor is definitely 10-0 :D
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