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Re: Regal Wars OOC chat
« Reply #30 on: February 16, 2017, 12:18:58 PM »

Cool. I keep note of that  :D

Another thing we seem to be missing in the info and resources is the military or ranking system? I tried to google it, but it gave me tier systems. I wonder if the ranks changed since 1560s or is it the same? Since its England, are their ranking system the same as they were back then?

Maybe we can have a section where we can add the military ranks, either navy or army or both?
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Re: Regal Wars OOC chat
« Reply #31 on: February 16, 2017, 03:26:36 PM »

The positions aboard ships that Vadim stated are the actual ranks of that period. There were no real rankings given to the emergent navies until the mid to late 1600's. The Armies were similar though there were some ranks we recognize today. For the navy, the 'ranks' of Lieutenant, Admiral, Mid Shipman were possibly the first we are aware of. 'Captain' was more an honorary title aboard a ship more than a rank. Even as late as the 1700's often a ships Captain was a lieutenant (See 'Captain James Cook')

Medieval militaries did not have a unified rank structure; while the feudal lords were in some ways equivalent to modern officers, they didn't have a strict hierarchy—a king was conceived of as first among equals, not a monarch as later or ancient societies understood the concept, and all nobles were theoretically equals (hence "peers"). A nobleman was obligated to bring a set number of troops when asked by his liege-lord, a king or merely a higher-ranked noble who had obtained his service by the gift of land. The troops' lord retained at least nominal control over them—many medieval military planning sessions involved negotiating each lord's role in the coming battle—and each lord was allowed to leave after a predetermined amount of time had passed.

The command structure of armies was generally loose and varied considerably. Typically, the king and high-ranking lords would call out for all lords to gather their troops for a campaign. They would appoint a renowned noble to organize the assembling forces, the marshal. The term Field Marshal came from the marshal then leading the army on the march, and being in charge of organizing camps and logistics. Tactics for an upcoming battle were often decided by councils of war among the nobles leading the largest forces. Outside of campaigns, the High Constable had authority over the local constables, and commanders of the garrisons of major castles. The High Constable might have authority in the army due to his role of head of the regular cavalry.

As the Middle Ages came to an end, the rank structure of medieval armies became more formalized. The top officers were known as commissioned officers because their rank came from a royal commission. Army commissions were reserved for the best—the aristocracy of mainland Europe and the aristocracy and gentry of Great Britain.

The basic unit of the medieval army was the company, a band of soldiers assigned (or raised) by a vassal lord on behalf of his lord (in later times the king himself). The vassal lord in command of the company was a commissioned officer with the rank of captain. Captain was derived from the Late Latin word capitaneus (meaning "head man" or chief).

The commissioned officer assisting the captain with command of the company was the lieutenant. Lieutenant was derived from the French language; the lieu meaning "place" as in a position; and tenant meaning "holding" as in "holding a position"; thus a "lieutenant" is somebody who holds a position in the absence of his superior. When he was not assisting the captain, the lieutenant commanded a unit called a platoon, particularly a more specialized platoon. The word is derived from the 17th-century French peloton, meaning a small ball or small detachment of men, which came from pelote, a ball.

The commissioned officer carrying the (infantry) company's flag was the ensign. The word ensign was derived from the Latin word insignia. In cavalry companies the equivalent rank was cornet. In English usage, these ranks were merged into the single rank of second lieutenant in the 19th Century.

Not all officers received a commission from the king. Certain specialists were granted a warrant, certifying their expertise as craftsmen. These warrant officers assisted the commissioned officers but ranked above the non-commissioned officers. They received their authority from superior officers rather than the king. The first NCOs were the armed servants (men-at-arms) of the aristocracy, assigned to command, organize and train the militia units raised for battle. After years of commanding a squad, an NCO could be promoted to sergeant, the highest NCO rank. While a sergeant might have commanded a squad upon promotion, he usually became a staff officer. While commissioned staff officers assisted their commander with personnel, intelligence, operations and logistics, the sergeant was a jack of all trades, concerning himself with all aspects of administration to maintain the enlisted men serving under his commander. Over time, sergeants were differentiated into many ranks as various levels of sergeants were used by the commanders of various levels of units.

A corporal commanded a squad. Squad derived from the Italian word for a "square" or "block" of soldiers. In fact, corporal was derived from the Italian caporal de squadra (head of the squad). Corporals were assisted by lancepesades. Lancepesades were veteran soldiers; lancepesade was derived from the Italian "lancia spezzata" meaning broken spear—the broken spear being a metaphor for combat experience, where such an occurrence was likely. The first lancepesades were simply experienced privates; who either assisted their corporal or performed the duties of a corporal themselves. It was this second function that made armies increasingly regard their lancepesades as a grade of corporal rather than a grade of private. As a result, the rank of lance corporal was derived from combining lancepesade and corporal.

As the Middle Ages came to an end, kings increasingly relied on professional soldiers to fill the bottom ranks of their armies instead of militiamen. Each of these professionals began their careers as a private. The private was a man who signed a private contract with the company commander, offering his services in return for pay. The money was raised through taxation; those yeomen (smallholding peasants) who did not fulfill their annual 40-day militia service paid a tax that funded professional soldiers recruited from the yeomanry. This money was handed to the company commanders from the royal treasury, the company commanders using the money to recruit the troops.

As armies grew larger, composed of multiple companies, one captain was granted general (overall) authority over the field armies by the king. (National armies were the armies of the kings. Field armies were armies raised by the king to enter the battle field in preparation for major battles.) In French history, lieutenant du roi was a title born by the officer sent with military powers to represent the king in certain provinces. A lieutenant du roi was sometimes known as a lieutenant général to distinguish him from lieutenants subordinate to mere captains. The sergeant acting as staff officer to the captain general was known as the sergeant-major general. This was eventually shortened to major general, while captain general was shortened to simply general. This is the reason a major outranks a lieutenant, but a lieutenant general outranks a major general.

As armies grew bigger, heraldry and unit identification remained primarily a matter of the regiment. Brigades headed by brigadier generals were the units invented as a tactical unit by the Swedish king Gustavus Adolphus II ("Gustav II Adolf," who was killed at the battle of Lützen 1632). It was introduced to overcome the normal army structure, consisting of regiments. The so-called "brigada" was a mixed unit, comprising infantry, cavalry and normally artillery too, designated for a special task. The size of such "brigada" was a reinforced company up to two regiments. The "brigada" was a 17th-century form of the modern "task force". In some armies "brigadier general" has been shortened to "brigadier".

Around the end of the 16th century, companies were grouped into regiments. The officers commissioned to lead these regiments were called colonels (column officers). They were first appointed in Spain by King Ferdinand II of Aragon where they were also known as coronellos (crown officers) since they were appointed by the Crown. Thus the English pronunciation of the word colonel.

The first colonels were captains granted command of their regiments by commission of the king. The lieutenants of the colonel were the lieutenant colonels. In the 17th century, the sergeant of the colonel was the sergeant major. These were field officers, third in command of their regiments (after their colonels and lieutenant colonels), with a role similar to the older, army-level sergeants major (although obviously on a smaller scale). The older position became known as sergeant major general to distinguish it. Over time, the sergeant was dropped from both titles since both ranks were used for commissioned officers. This gave rise to the modern ranks of major and major general.

The full title of sergeant major fell out of use until the latter part of the 18th century, when it began to be applied to the senior non-commissioned officer of an infantry battalion or cavalry regiment.


Regiments were later split into battalions with a lieutenant colonel as a commanding officer and a major as an executive officer.
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Re: Regal Wars OOC chat
« Reply #32 on: February 17, 2017, 01:11:51 AM »

Perhaps to make it a bit easier here:

James "Flint" McGraw is Captain of Walrus;
William "Billy Bones" Manderley is First Mate on Walrus;
John "Long John" Silver is Quartermaster on Walrus;

BOTH are XO's of Flint, but Billy Bones knows about the navigation and makes commands necessary to win the battles or to arrive to some island; Silver organizes the combat detail to board/repeal boarding/land operation and it's his duty to make sure crew fights to their best.
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Re: Regal Wars OOC chat
« Reply #33 on: February 17, 2017, 01:25:12 AM »

Yep, from what I can read, anyone much below the QM at that time was simply a seaman.
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Re: Regal Wars OOC chat
« Reply #34 on: April 02, 2017, 08:42:52 PM »

Making a time jump. We should probably go ahead twenty four hours. Mel said yes, since I PMed her.

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Re: Regal Wars OOC chat
« Reply #35 on: April 02, 2017, 08:52:53 PM »

We will be doing the same in Hampton Court. Thank you for the update.
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Re: Regal Wars OOC chat
« Reply #36 on: October 19, 2017, 05:24:18 PM »

We appear to have come to a grinding halt in some areas. @SymonDrayson @Troy @sandayselkie
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Re: Regal Wars OOC chat
« Reply #37 on: October 19, 2017, 05:29:52 PM »

Yes I noticed that to.  Any idea what is going on with that? Please tell me you're not waiting on me? I don't know how to progress
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Re: Regal Wars OOC chat
« Reply #38 on: October 19, 2017, 05:39:14 PM »

One or two areas are waning a little but that is more to do with absentees. I think for what we are doing in Kent, you could simply post as Liz retiring, bidding both men a goodnight. Within that same post, place a space then this

*8am the following day*

Write after that one of John's servants preparing clean clothing for the Queen. You can write a paragraph or two on her bathing, readying herself for the day without interacting with anyone. After that, I'll make a follow up post.
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Re: Regal Wars OOC chat
« Reply #39 on: October 19, 2017, 06:51:29 PM »

I'll post in a little bit. Currently working on something else.
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