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Upgrades II- hotting up the 302
« on: July 31, 2017, 01:40:27 AM »

 

<SGC Briefing>

 Sam had a problem, indeed the Stargate program itself had a problem and it was wholly sitting on the venerable shoulders of their 302 fleet. For during the past few engagements since the cessation of hostilities with what they were now calling the 'Destroyer' wars, it was found that there were several shortcomings with the old bird and indeed some of them were starting to take on that veteran look having been in service since 2002 they were starting to age, not to mention their capabilities. With only one upgrade since their implementation in 9 years, that being the dedicated single seat B model with the rail guns being replaced with Earth's version of the Jaffa Staff canon and a limited hyper drive that does actually work, many of the pilots were reporting the lack of a short range missile being the main flaw in the entire system.

 To address that, Sam had proposed creating a newer series designated for the time being the YF-302C/D models. Both identical apart from the C being a single seat and the D a dual seat version. The principle changes would be a upgraded reinforced wing that would have six hard points instead of eight; a new improved main thrust engine, fully digital cockpit and new phased array radar for the D versions. The second major problem she had was that the Dreadnought was leaving for Pegasus in 30 days time, they had three test models ready but they had not been fully tested. Wingsets and the engine, avionics upgrades were ready, and Command were generally demanding that at least a quarter of the Dread's compliment be retrofitted before she was to leave. It was going to be tight, but she was confident it could be done.

 So now came the selection process test pilots, one which was made quite simple by looking at the supplementary crews who were to be joining the mighty ship before she left. Before her Sam had the service records of two former Top Gun pilots, the first being the Dread's new CAG, Lieutenant Commander 'Jack' Pierce, the second being being his better half Major Adriana Pierce USMC. The third test pilot who will be playing the bad guy, girl in this case would be Alecia Satterfield in a 401 that had been dedicated as a red force aircraft. They had a week to get all of their tests done. Again a hard call but she knew it could be done. Sam looked at her watch, as usual she was way too early, but that bought her some time to get her head into it. Both babies were playing merry hell in her fifth month of pregnancy, but it didn't hold her back one iota, other than her being dressed in civvies, she was still Sam.
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Re: Upgrades II- hotting up the 302
« Reply #1 on: July 31, 2017, 04:57:38 PM »

>> From the Office to Briefing room >>

NPC – Colonel Jonathan Brown

As Jon hurried down the hall towards the briefing room, he had a small lump in his stomach that he for all he could muster tried to ignore.
His wife, CMO Carrie Svensson, had sent him a very short email.

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Heading off to the Alpha site on an emergency. Might take a while. Let you know more ASAP.
/ Love C”

Way to short and way too little intel for his liking… then again – how often hadn’t he left her in a similar situation over the years. But he had ‘just’ been on the other side of the world… not in another part of this galaxy.
Jon stopped a few feet away from the door, checked his watch, 2 minutes before time so he'd set the pace to the briefing room perfectly, then took a deep breath and stepped in with a warm smile on his face.
“Afternoon Sam. I got your message, even if it was with a very short notice.” He walked around the table and sat down on her right side, placing the folders and note books he’d had in his arms in a neat pile in front of him. “All the spec’s you wanted… and some…”
Being an ex-test pilot and engineer, he’d been part of this ever since they started building the X-303 as well as the developments of the F-302.
He might not have as many flight hours per year now as he’d had some twenty years ago, but so far, he’d passed his qualifications every single year. Fully aware of that he some day in a not to far future, wouldn’t pass. So he was going to make sure that every hour in the cockpit counted, was enjoyed, and therefore he had jumped on the occasion offered to him by Sam.
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Re: Upgrades II- hotting up the 302
« Reply #2 on: August 02, 2017, 06:13:05 PM »



MAJ Adrianna "AJ" Pierce, USMC

Jack and Adrianna stepped off of the elevator, with Jack in his Navy dress blues and Adrianna in her Marine Corps service "A" uniform. Given that the briefing was in an official capacity, they chose to dress in their appropriate uniforms rather than showing up in their flight suits.

The two of them headed straight into the briefing room, where an Air Force Senior Airman was finishing prepping the projector and computer for the presentation. Both of them set their laptop bags down and pulled out folders and set them out on the table. They several stapled copies of diagrams and reports that the two of them had compiled, spending all night and then some. The data had come from all over, from F-302 combat records to weapons test data from the Navy's weapons testing site at China Lake and from Area 51, as well as mock combat data from VFC-31, their last posting. VFC-31 "Saint Adversary" was one of the Navy and Marine Corps' last true aggressor squadrons, stationed at the Naval Strike and Air Warfare Center, NAS Fallon.

"Colonels. Thank you for coming. As soon as we have a full house, we can get the Death by PowerPoint out of the way, and then get to more practical data gathering. If there's any questions, feel free to lay them on us." Jack said.

"We'll try to keep the boring stuff down as much as possible, the packets in the folders have all the same information, and they're yours to keep." AJ added.

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Re: Upgrades II- hotting up the 302
« Reply #3 on: August 03, 2017, 01:29:45 AM »



 There was little delay between Jon's arrival and that of Jack and Adriana, in fact Sam heard their footsteps as Jon was took his chair, Sam though did take that brief moment to flip through the first folder in front of her, that was from Jon's take on the modifications he put forward some time ago to correct some of the 302's shortcomings; in as much beefing up the under frame in the fuselage to carry center line hard points if required. The hardware was in place and so to had those modifications been done, plus quite a few other 'specials' as per the million and one suggestions put forward by the fleets pilots. Naturally not everything could be added, certainly not as one suggestion came to her, an X-box installed so pilots could wile away the hours on long hyper flights. "I noticed." Sam said with a happy, pleased grin to Jon when he was finally comfortable. She had all but a whole minute before the next two came in.

 Patting her tummy she had to warm the air so to speak, she wasn't in service mode at all, far from it. Geek mode yes and futureinafewmonths mummy mode definitely. "Please, both of you, Sam will do. I am on leave remember." Happily even in that event Sam still managed to do a decent amount of work for the Program. "Before we begin, there is one more we're waiting on, she should be here any moment now. I will say this to all three of you though, from me and the Stargate program, we are grateful for the tremendous effort and input you all have given. Dare I say, I do have a surp...." More footsteps were heard in the hall outside, only these were running. A few moments later a diminutive Asian woman appeared, a slight sweat on the brow, dressed fully in a flight suit with the Dreadnought patches and that of her squadron above the left breast pocket; Sam was quite proud of that as it was a unit that she had helped form, the very first 401 attack squadron, the Sceamin Banshees



 "Sorry I'm late, I know I am." She said breathlessly as Alecia took a chair opposite Sam. "Business as usual.." She wiped her brow with the sleeve, yet still in a weird way looking relaxed. She eyed Jack and his wife (Alecia had read every file she came across, including that of the Dread's new CAG) she summed both of them up in a flash. "Professional, experienced both of them with that edge we need." Those at least were her thoughts on first sight.

"No you're not at all, barely, but not late Alecia and what on earth have you been up to?" Sam asked before getting into the weighty bits.

 "Playing tag with some of our Nuggets on the dark side of the moon. They need more work Colonel..Colonels." She corrected herself since all of them are or would be involved in future training briefings.

 "Sam."

"What..er yes." She grinned, she'd been through this before.

 Sam then returned her attention to AJ and Jack. "Well it you both know I had to be here and no AJ nothing on the 302 would be boring in my view. Now before you all give me your presentations, my surprise, some of it good, some of it not so. I'll give you the better part first. Most of the suggested improvements that we could enable in a short time have been approved, with that the first two prototype test units have been assembled and are now waiting for testing down at our base in Woomera, South Australia." She paused clasping her hands, lowering the head just a bit. "The bad bit. We have 30 days to finish all tests and have the first 14 conversions aboard the Dreadnought before she leaves for Pegasus."

 "D'oh!" Satterfield had a definite face palm moment.
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Re: Upgrades II- hotting up the 302
« Reply #4 on: August 03, 2017, 03:10:41 AM »



MAJ Adrianna "AJ" Pierce, USMC

"Roger that." Jack replied just as Alecia made her way in. Both Pierces waited for the news before getting straight to it.

"In that case, let's get the show on the road. We've got a bit to cover, but thankfully, most of the upgrades that were being brought in have been in the works for a bit. And our proposal would require some work, but not much. Area 51 is already on it." AJ said as some of the lights were turned off and the projector was activated. Jack took the lead.

"Our analysis of the F-302's performance since its inception has shown that overall, it remains a fairly competitive design, but in need of updates. Compared to the Death Glider, Dart, and the unnamed model used by the Ori, the -302 has largely proven to be either superior to or at least highly competitive against these rival designs." Jack opened, with slides showing relevant combat data.

"Given the time we needed to compile this, we do not have relevant comparisons against Kelt, El'Dari and other models used by our allies. Partly because of time and partly because we have no interspecies version of TOPGUN at this time. We didn't contact them because we assumed a racial bias would give data to favor their craft, so it was deemed an unreliable factor." AJ added.

"Like the updates from the A and B model of the American F/A-18 Hornet to the C and D model lines, most of the updates proposed and going into the C and D F-302 lines are largely technological updates to the various computer systems, such as avionics, targeting control systems, and others. These were in the works long before we started, since there was a plan to update the A and B F-302s in a Block system similar to the F-16 Falcon. It's just being expedited to the C and D lines instead, but a Block update system may be adopted in the future rather than going to an E and F line until we have a major technological requirement." Jack continued, the slides showing comparison lists of the internal components being overhauled in the F-302C and F-302D.

"Our main concern, and where we're likely to sink a lot of our time while we spend the next month in Australia, is weapons. Replacing the railguns with energy weapons has shown some improvement, though Area 51 says they're working on railguns mimicking the internal guns found on Earth fighters, such as the American M61 Vulcan rotary barrel and the Russian GSh-30-2 dual barrel. Quantity versus quality. There's also work being done to make the Asgard plasma beam system smaller, but work has not been forthcoming yet. Overall, in this regard, the F-302 is fine. The railgun lethality has always been excellent, and going to an energy weapon has reduced logistical concerns while further improving lethality."

"The problem is the missile armament. For the past 9 years, it has exclusively used the AIM-120 AMRAAM medium range air-to-air missile. Now this is not an entirely misguided idea, the AIM-120 has proven to be an excellent weapon, but it was never intended for close-range engagements. In fact, the AMRAAM becomes less effective the closer to the target it is fired." Jack explained as his slides began to show the AMRAAM's kill ratio in relation to distance. The further it was, the higher the chance of a kill.

"We have requested the most up to date data from both Naval Air Station Fallon and Nellis Air Force Base on all of this, as well as live-fire data from China Lake. Our most logical course of action is to adopt the same weapon as we have in terrestrial terms. The AIM-9X Sidewinder. The slide came up with the specifications for the AIM-9X Sidewinder air to air missile.

"The AIM-9X Block II is currently the basis for what we're looking for. Testing has been work in progress since 2008, but there are issues with one of the missile's features that has fallen below the previous iteration's capabilities. Thankfully, this is still not a huge problem, and we likely can correct the problem as we go or just bypass it and deal with it later. The Sidewinder is familiar to all of us, so I'll skip the history lesson. The X variant brings to the table the ability to lock on after launch, as well as compatability with helmet mounted tracking systems, allowing lock-on to be achieved with the pilot only looking at the target, not having the aircraft pointed directly at the target. All testing has indicated that the Sidewinder has only improved and can only aid the F-302's capabilities." Jack said.

"The pros outside of this is that the logistics are not going to be a problem. The hardpoints used by the AIM-120 would be entirely compatible with the AIM-9, and the missile is smaller and lighter, so payload weight is not an issue either. Acquisition will not be an issue either. However, we have a major con that I want to address. The IR seeker head will need to be addressed, as the conditions of space may cause it to become a liability. The AIM-9X does use thermal imaging, which if we can augment with the correct alien technologies to keep the missile chasing stars and larger targets, should be sufficent. We would just need to make sure that such an upgrade can be removed or added easily as our stocks of missiles transfer in and out of the Program." AJ explained.

"We're not proposing that the AMRAAM be replaced entirely, but rather augmented in service with the Sidewinder. Now that we've gotten all of that out of the way, questions?" Jack asked as he turned the lights back on.


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Re: Upgrades II- hotting up the 302
« Reply #5 on: August 15, 2017, 12:42:54 PM »

NPC – Colonel Jonathan Brown

As Pierce dimmed the lights, Jon put his pen down and leaned back in the chair. Taking notes during a briefing had never worked very well for him; he was better off just listening. And after all, if he needed to all the figures were in the folders provided to them.
The summaries and tables proved the two had put down a sufficient time of digging and reading to boil it down to something short as this. Definitely not the most boring presentation he’d been forced to sit through.

When the lights came back on, Jon raised a hand, “Yes, just a thought. And keep in mind that I have no real experience of dog fights outside the atmosphere and my field of expertise is more towards pilot aircraft interaction and mechanical engineering.” He said in his low, but very clear voice. “But unless you’re fighting and firing in a very near proximity of a star, say within the range of Mars orbit – will the IR interaction from surrounding stars actually *be a problem? Apart from the obvious ones we have today when the enemy are using counter measures to side track our missiles? A lot of action are also going to take place in deep space. Far away from any stars.”

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Re: Upgrades II- hotting up the 302
« Reply #6 on: August 16, 2017, 05:50:49 AM »





"A fair question, sir. But stars are kind of one part of the whole picture. The bigger concern is, simply put, keeping the seeker from locking onto a larger heat source.
 A Death Glider's signature is going to be a heck of a lot smaller than that of a Ha'tak."
AJ replied.

"Think of it this way. The main way to spoof an IR guided missile in normal air to air combat is to deploy flares, to present the missile's seeker a hotter heat source away from the intended target. If we can keep it from doing that while meeting the requirements put on us to modify our Sidewinders that come into our inventories, then we should be golden." Jack added.
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Re: Upgrades II- hotting up the 302
« Reply #7 on: August 21, 2017, 02:53:28 AM »



 Now this was right up Sam's alley, her forte so to speak as a veteran combat pilot flying F15's prior to her posting to Stargate Command, she had hundreds of hours literally of both simulation, Red Flag exercises and not to mention GW1 and the Balkans. Not that she had did much in the last, she did though share a MIG with another pilot over Baghdad, that was exciting for a 23 year old 2nd Lieutenant. Sam had the XP. Yet there was something more she could add to this, something that none of them except Alecia and the trial pilots knew at the time. "We did use a 401 as a test bed for AIM 9's some seven months  ago as a possible lead in for new bloc F302's. It did go quite well didn't it Major?" Sam cast a glance, at Satterfield first, then the others one at a time.




 "Yes it did. The trial was done from the Odyssey against a hard target, it was a Al-Kesh in fact. Strangely we never intended it to go down as it was, the fact was we 'thought' that we were in dead space." Her thoughts cast back to the day. "We were using drones, our own. Somehow this Hat'ak must have picked up those signals as hostiles, he came to investigate and when he found our 401 alone, some three hours from the Oddy, he attacked. My pilot, Captain Hailey used the initiative taking the ship out with two 9's. The effect was, slow as we found their armor is still quite good, but a shot straight up the as... rear end did the job."

 Nodding again, Sam called it. "Pack your bags people, you're all going to Adelaide tonight. Jon you can call on the Australian engineering support team down there; they've been notified. As for the training, well..." Sam paused joyfully."You two can think of your worst days at Topgun, your very worst. You will be sweating a lot so pack plenty of deodorant."

 Alecia looked unhappy then. "You're not coming with us Colonel?"

 Sam pointed at her tummy.  "Not likely Major. Dismissed."
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Re: Upgrades II- hotting up the 302
« Reply #8 on: August 23, 2017, 10:51:19 AM »





Both Pierces looked at one another for a moment.

"Doesn't address the primary concern with the seekers, but if the boys and girls at Area 51 say they can work it out, we should be good. The warhead will be a little different, a little naquadah should spruce it up, but that coil inside should be a nasty surprise either way." Adrianna said, referring to the coil spring inside the AIM-9, the idea being that when it detonated, the spring would expand rapidly and shear the tail off of an enemy fighter.

"Also, all due respect, but I think you mean for the other side. Unless we're going to do this in F-5s again, at which point, it might be the only way to handicap us." Jack said, referring to the F-5F Tiger IIs that VFC-13 used to simulate the smaller fighters, like the MiG-21, that were more likely to be encountered in a shooting war. The two of them loved their Hornets, but the Tiger was not to be underestimated.

"I've always wanted to break out both the NATO and Pact rule books for the F-302. Oooh, do you think we can have the -302s painted in our old colors?" AJ asked, half joking.

"What, the MiG-28 colors? So, what, we'd be...MiG-302s?" Jack replied. It was a reference to the movie Top Gun, where the enemy MiGs had been F-5s. They sported a gloss black body with red lettering, and then red and yellow Soviet style nose numbering and Soviet star roundel on the tail, and it was a scheme used by the F-5s back at Fallon, alongside other Soviet and Middle Eastern camo schemes that starkly contrasted the standard air superiority grey used on American fighters.

The two of them shared a laugh before looking back to the others in the room.
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Re: Upgrades II- hotting up the 302
« Reply #9 on: August 30, 2017, 02:03:15 PM »



“They will,” Jon said in a reassuring tone, referring to the crew of Area 51. “They always do – somehow… Guess McKay must have rubbed off some of his better parts when he worked there.”

Collecting the files in front of him, Jon nodded to Sam, only adding, “Of course,” before turning towards the bantering couple with a hint of a smile, “MiG-302, uh? I’d love to get my hand on one of those.” Then added with a shrug, “But I’m not the picky one, as long as it got wings and an engine, I’m all game…”

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Re: Upgrades II- hotting up the 302
« Reply #10 on: August 31, 2017, 02:37:57 AM »



 Sam had one more thing to say, something of a little surprise for them, Jon would be pleased. "I hope you've all read up on SG1's early work with a captured Death Glider?" She had that peculiar Sam Carter grin on her face. "We worked out how to remove the 'return home' module from them, that's all I am going to say on the matter. Now get out of her all of you." She needed to eat, a big steak was waiting for her, maybe two. 




 Paint the 302? Now there was a novel idea. Already the Chiefs were up in arms over pilots sticking their own personal motifs on the nose. She wondered how a hot pink would go down? "If Doctor Rodney McKay had a hand in anything weapon like, we'd be lucky if the missile didn't do a 180 and come back to bite us." She was of course joking, the man was good. Its just she hated given him any due credit. "Colonel, are we going mundane or via our standard taxi service?"

 Sam nodded at Alecia, affirming the latter. "The Apollo is waiting for you all as we speak."
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Re: Upgrades II- hotting up the 302
« Reply #11 on: September 12, 2017, 10:42:17 AM »





"There is one other matter we need to address if we're going to roll out the Charlie and Delta models of the F-302." Jack said, putting up a hand.

"The F-302 has gone ten years now without an appropriate name, just going by its designation. I think the aircraft has long ago since acquitted itself in service to earn a name. Even the -401 got the name Tornado in development." AJ explained.

"Obviously, Colonel, you had a major role in its development, so I think it's only fair that you are allowed that right. Though if you're open to suggestions, AJ and I agree that the F-302 has, despite its largely Air Force heritage, earned the right to bear the moniker of a very successful Navy aircraft. One that not only served the Navy and Marines with distinction, but also flew with the Royal Navy and even the Canadians. Plus it's got a good ring." Jack explained.

"And it's not the Phantom or Corsair, though you'd be not wrong for thinking of either, since the F-4 and A-7 both also served with distinction with the Air Force. No, we're looking further back. I think the name "Wildcat" is suitable. It also means that anything hoping to be named "Hellcat" will have some big boots to fill, which is apt for anything hoping to replace the F-302." AJ concluded.
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Re: Upgrades II- hotting up the 302
« Reply #12 on: September 12, 2017, 04:02:39 PM »



Jon’s grin widened, and even if it wasn’t a big one, it rarely was, his eyes got another sparkle at the mentioning of a Death Glider. “I have… and I’m really anxious to get a closer look at it now that one has a better chance to actually get back home in time for dinner after a flight in it.”
Then turned towards the Major, Wildcat it is then.” He made a made a small motion towards the ceiling with his free right hand, “Shall we?”
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Re: Upgrades II- hotting up the 302
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"You're still here." Sam grinned at them, eager to get going herself and that appointment with a steak, fries, salad, maybe dessert, yes definitely dessert. What to have she'd figure that out by the time she got home, or unless there was something in Springs that took her fancy. "You know guys, we almost went with Widow Maker at one point." She recalled several close shaves with the preproduction test models and the multiple issues they had with miniaturizing the hyper drive that finally made it in the end. Two people dear to her, Paul Davis and Jennifer Hailey could well have been the victims of those early test flights.



 Alecia looked up at them all, she was well aware of the name choices, there were others with a few Air Force people trying to resurrect old names like Mustang, Thunderbolt and Lightning. "Oh I should mention that the 401 has in fact two handles just like the Brit predecessors of WW2, we sometimes call it the Typhoon as well." She did like Wildcat, it seemed to fit though for the new 302.

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