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Title: star trek discover *SPOILER ALERT*
Post by: elflord on July 03, 2017, 03:23:10 PM
from the looks of the trail for one I don't like the ship an ugly duckling that will never be a swan a total no, having that ugly out side garbage truck look with the high tech inside look does also not work for me, but the show does have Michelle Yeoh in it so expecting some badass martial arts scenes against the Klingons. but from what I'm hearing about the show its going to bomb big time I just hope I'm wrong hopefully how many re-runs of Stargate Sg1 does a man have to watch before any new sci-fi show turns up that can at least match its worst episode ever made or can even stand toe to toe with it in the ratings I'm still waiting that's for sure.
Title: Re: star trek discover
Post by: Khnum on July 03, 2017, 03:59:43 PM
Did not I understand what you're talking about? :huh
Title: Re: star trek discover
Post by: DanielRyder on July 03, 2017, 06:12:57 PM
He's talking about the trailer for Star Trek Discovery. I'll post it here the link for it or youtube.

Sorry but you are not allowed to view spoiler contents.

The breakdown of the trailer is something I found on youtube. You can watch if you want, but if you dont want to know, you dont have to really. Could contain spoilers. Hence the spolier tag  :P

Sorry but you are not allowed to view spoiler contents.

I actually thought the trailer wasn't too bad. I mean, I agree with some points provided by elflord, but I'm keeping my options open. I might see the first pilot and see how it goes. Problem is though, its CBS access only, so im gonna have to buy the access  :look

If its good, I might watch it. If not, well, yeah, maybe not. Still, I'm still a Star Trek fan, so I wouldnt be a fan if I didn't see the pilot first hand  >(
Title: Re: star trek discover
Post by: Syn on July 03, 2017, 07:02:13 PM
I'm not pleased with the design choices they've made and the premise of the show itself is not interesting.

Plus, CBS is intentionally making it difficult for anyone outside of the US to even watch the show when it finally airs.

I'll still end up watching it because it's Star Trek but I have exceptionally low expectations.
Title: Re: star trek discover
Post by: Troy on July 03, 2017, 07:37:27 PM
I'm looking forward to it. The transporter room looks odd, but otherwise I think they did a good job with the design. Yeah, the Discovery isn't the most pleasing shape but I don't get too hung up on ship design. Each series has had a unique starship.


Most places outside the US get it on Nextflix, that doesn't seem too limiting.
Title: Re: star trek discover
Post by: Syn on July 03, 2017, 08:19:11 PM
Most places outside the US get it on Nextflix, that doesn't seem too limiting.

They'll get it on Netflix long after it's aired. There's no way to remotely involve yourself with discussion or the fandom unless you're in the US or watch it illegally.

And that's, well, not great.
Title: Re: star trek discover
Post by: Bowsy 112 on July 03, 2017, 10:12:33 PM
Most places outside the US get it on Nextflix, that doesn't seem too limiting.

That would be because we cant get. Is it CBS? the channel that will show it. At least in the UK, and Star Trek isnt popular enough at the moment for it to Air on Sky One like ENT did.

I m currently not a fan of the over all look of the show from the trailer. It was said somewhere its in the prime timeline but looks much more like the Kelvin timeline. But we will wait and see. I have my own opinions on the characters we know about. But will keep those to my self until I have atleast seen an episode.
Title: Re: star trek discover
Post by: NG on July 04, 2017, 12:52:33 AM
Agreed - sucks that someone living outside the US wont have access to it until much later... :/

We're going to see if we can get hold of it on alternative ways, meaning CBS will lose viewers = less money in, because to me it has potential.

Just a thought - wasn't it stated in TOS that women *couldn't' be commanders of a ship? And this takes place ten years before TOS?
Title: Re: star trek discover
Post by: Khnum on July 04, 2017, 04:44:23 AM
In fact I lost something ... it does not look bad to me, but I have to see it well before judging :yes:
Title: Re: star trek discover
Post by: Bowsy 112 on July 04, 2017, 08:33:15 AM
Just a thought - wasn't it stated in TOS that women *couldn't' be commanders of a ship? And this takes place ten years before TOS?

If it did, its definitely odd that they had a female first officer in The Cage. Its a bit like going.
"You can get almost there but not ll the way." Though then again I have no idea if that was actually said. I dont know my TOS as well as say TNG or DS9.

All I really know is that. We have not seen the captain of the Discovery yet, as he (And it is a he.) Is played by Jacob Issacs (I think thats his name. British actor, Draco Malfoys dad in Harry Potter.) and the female captain we see is from a different ship, that the main character, the black woman, starts out on. So from what I can deduce as at least, we havnt seen an interior shot of the Discovery yet.

But yeah. I still think it looks more Kelvin timeline than Prime.

Also. Just because I can.
And this takes place ten years before TOS?

I know its meant to take place 10 or 15 (Something like that.) Before TOS, yet it all looks more advanced.

I mean you have ENT that looked more advanced but felt, well older to TOS somehow where as Discovery dosnt feel older.

But hey, we may get to see Pike's NCC-1701 with the spikes on the bussard collectors and everything.
Title: Re: star trek discover
Post by: Khnum on July 04, 2017, 08:49:08 AM
From what I have seen, I really liked the intermediate style on the kelvin universe model ... in fact the result is remarkable :yes:
Title: Re: star trek discover
Post by: SymonDrayson on July 04, 2017, 09:32:38 AM
Jason Issacs. :)

I am looking forward to seeing the premiere, but sadly not holding out much hope for this. When it first came out that a new Trek was in development I was "it's about time". But over time as I have heard things about the production I have become a little less enthusiastic. I used to be of the opinion that even bad Trek is better than no Trek. I think this might just prove that rule wrong.

A friend of mine of many years who writes for Trek and has done so since the first movie told me he is worried about the direction they want to take it and some of the ideas put forward during writing sessions. He said that the shows developers want to capitalize on the success of the Abrams movies by having that feel, both visually and script wise (all about action and conflict) but within the Prime universe. He said that they have tinkered with the Klingons (again) in an attempt to bridge the gap between what appeared in the Original series and the Klingons that appeared after. I personally don't know why we need to revisit it again, the explanation they put forth in Enterprise worked well enough. A couple of months ago I got to see a continuity script he was working on for a (hopefully) future episode. Keeping in mind that I didn't have any kind of idea what happened previous to it in order to add context and background for what was happening, I have to say that it was....meh...Not horrible, but not fantastic. Of course things could change and such, so who knows. All I know is I have never seen my friend so indifferent to a project. There were things in the later seasons of Voyager and in Enterprise that drove him absolutely crazy. And he refuses to recognize the Abrams universe as anything but pseudo-trek (I am with him there). But the fact that he is on the verge of being uninspired, kind of worries me.

As to female commanders/captains in the Original Series. It was never said (to either of our best recollection) that a female could not command a ship. Majel Barret (as pointed out earlier) was the First Officer/XO/Number One aboard the Enterprise in the episode "The Cage". The reason this role did not continue was due to the request of the studio for the removal of the character. It was a different time then and the blow back from the character was insane, almost as bad as it was after the kiss between Kirk and Uhura.

If you want to HYPER TECHNICAL on the issue, the origianl series did feature a female Captain, of the Enterprise no less. In the episode "Turnabout Intruder" (I think thats the name), Dr. Janice Lester switched bodies with Kirk and, yeah. :)

In that episode it is mentioned that "there was a lack of opportunity for women to command starships." and "there were so many obstacles to overcome." A kind of commentary on the times. A kind of "Nobody says that you can't do a thing. And the opportunity is there. But the old boy network is going to put enough obstacles in your way to make it almost impossible."

But anyway. I look forward to giving the new series a chance. But am wary.
Title: Re: star trek discover
Post by: Troy on July 04, 2017, 12:59:43 PM
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Each episode of the new series will be available globally within 24 hours of its U.S. premiere.
(https://media.netflix.com/en/press-releases/netflix-to-beam-new-cbs-star-trek-television-series-in-188-countries-around-the-world)

The exact quote from Janice Lester was, "Your world of starship captains doesn't admit women."   That can be taken a couple of ways, including directed at Kirk himself. He was too busy with his "mistress", The Enterprise, to entertain the idea of a serious relationship with women.

Even if you take it more literally, I think most fans would be OK with that bit of retconning.


(https://s13.postimg.org/57hvjfv87/jason-isaacs-star-trek-discovery.jpg)
Title: Re: star trek discover
Post by: SymonDrayson on July 04, 2017, 02:26:42 PM
Mostly looking forward to seeing how Jason Isaacs does in the role. I have liked pretty much everything he has done. His role in Brotherhood being my favorite. Looking forward to seeing  Sonequa Martin as well.
Title: Re: star trek discover
Post by: Syn on July 04, 2017, 06:25:00 PM
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Each episode of the new series will be available globally within 24 hours of its U.S. premiere.
(https://media.netflix.com/en/press-releases/netflix-to-beam-new-cbs-star-trek-television-series-in-188-countries-around-the-world)

I'll be interested in seeing if this is actually the case when the show gets out of production hell. I hope so but won't hold my breath. Especially since, if my memory serves me, that announcement would have taken place after everyone raised a fit about the CBS-only streaming plan they originally had. It wouldn't be a surprise if isn't quite as true as we hope.

But again, I do hope it's true. Being able to legally watch the show in a reasonable time frame is paramount to a sustainable show.
Title: Re: star trek discover
Post by: Bowsy 112 on July 04, 2017, 08:20:24 PM
I'm personally also very fearful or a Mary Sue Character.

There was a release on the Star Trek Website. (the official one.) that had a description of the character wish was "She is a super intelligent cadet in her last year of star fleet academy assigned to the discovery. Though I am not against it. Its more just, change Discovery to Enterprise and you ligitimatly have the origional Mary Sue bio in a scentence.
Title: Re: star trek discover
Post by: Cipherhornet18 on July 04, 2017, 10:13:03 PM
I don't think this is set in the Prime timeline, everything about the design says "Kelvin" to me, and it doesn't do a very convincing job of bridging ENT and TOS otherwise. The bridge design and the uniforms look more Kelvin, since the uniforms look more like the jumpsuits that everyone was wearing at Starfleet Academy at the beginning of Star Trek. It's not looking like we're going to be jumping from these designs to Prime TOS-era. Which I'm not against to it being set in the Kelvin era, and you have to look at it from the perspective of what are the newer fans who have only seen the Kelvin movies going to recognize better? Kelvin or Prime? And I'm also not against giving the Kelvin era a chance to expand its own story.

But, I'm not prepared to crucify the show just because I don't like the look of the ship. Everyone was saying how awesome it was that they were taking a concept design by Ralph McQuire (or however his name is spelled) from The Motion Picture, but that doesn't give it a free pass. But it is what it is, no sense being bitter about it. I mean, how many people didn't like the shape of DS9 or the look of the USS Voyager, or hell, the Enterprise D or Enterprise E? Or thought NX-01 being basically an upside down Akira-class was lazy?

I'm willing to let this show try before I decide or not, it's seriously not like any of us are going to lose anything but a little time if it doesn't pan out. And after Axanar got gutted because everyone on both sides got greedy, I didn't expect much more from Star Trek except whatever small efforts made by Star Trek Online.
Title: Re: star trek discover
Post by: Bowsy 112 on July 04, 2017, 10:33:18 PM
I have to agree with Cipher on all counts.

But.

I'm sure its said to be set in the prime time line. Not saying your wrong, I am not willing to travel through logs on the ST website to find the articles, I am just 90% sure its set in the prime time line.

Also as you said I am not going to crucify it just because I think it dosnt look right at this point, I will give it a chance, its just, hard not to get ideas at this point, especially after being sent the trailer 40 times to watch and getting emails about it from the Star Trek website every other day.

I just feel that its going to be, well, like Stargate Universe. They seam to be setting that tone by one of their latest announcements. I dont now if anybdy has seen it, but the thing about how, unlike the other star treks where the principle cast would all back each other up and be after the same goal. That will not be the case for Discovery, from what I am led to believe, it means there is going to be lots of drama between crew members. Though I dont know if this will be relationship stuff like, say Trip nd T'pol from ENT or more like Rush having his own goals and framing Young for Murder in SGU.
Title: Re: star trek discover
Post by: Khnum on July 12, 2017, 02:45:29 PM
(https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/2017-05/18/8/campaign_images/buzzfeed-prod-fastlane-01/the-star-trek-discovery-trailer-is-out-and-we-hav-2-20879-1495111990-0_dblbig.jpg)

I must admit, however, that at first glance, the first aliens are fascinated
Title: Re: star trek discover
Post by: Syn on July 12, 2017, 02:47:12 PM
That is meant to be the klingon redesign.

I hate it.
Title: Re: star trek discover
Post by: Teddy on July 12, 2017, 02:54:40 PM
It's kinda horrid, l am reminded of Wizard of Oz for some reason 
Title: Re: star trek discover
Post by: Khnum on July 12, 2017, 03:15:42 PM
Oh  my  gods :D
Title: Re: star trek discover
Post by: Bowsy 112 on July 12, 2017, 05:54:49 PM
(https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/2017-05/18/8/campaign_images/buzzfeed-prod-fastlane-01/the-star-trek-discovery-trailer-is-out-and-we-hav-2-20879-1495111990-0_dblbig.jpg)

I must admit, however, that at first glance, the first aliens are fascinated

Definatly looks more like JJ Verse
Title: Re: star trek discover
Post by: Khnum on July 13, 2017, 01:37:53 AM
If I'm really a new version of Klingon ... well, well I was hoping for the tzenketi sincerely
Title: Re: star trek discover
Post by: elflord on August 10, 2017, 06:07:53 PM
i'm looking forward more to the Orville than Star Trek Discovery and I so have to say,  the Half Vulcan thing has been done to death in fact I would rather have a Half Andorian or some other star trek federation race so we can find out more about there people and way of life. I'm so sick of Vulcans dealing with there emotions all the time, in fact I would rather have a story about a dead parrot on the ship, than have to watch anther story about yet anther  Half Vulcan or Vulcan with emotion problems will they please stop flogging that dead horse already.
Title: Re: star trek discover
Post by: Troy on August 10, 2017, 07:02:53 PM
She's fully human, she was just raised on Vulcan. There's a difference. The only half-Vulcan we've seen is Spock. Tuvok was the only other major character on TV that was Vulcan. With all Enterprise did to flesh out the Andorians, it would be cool to see that continued on Discovery.
Title: Re: star trek discover
Post by: Khnum on August 17, 2017, 09:19:08 AM
I look forward to arriving this series to be able to admire or demolish it :yes:
Title: Re: star trek discover
Post by: Troy on August 17, 2017, 09:29:35 AM
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Title: Re: star trek discover
Post by: Khnum on September 22, 2017, 08:45:46 AM
(https://i.pinimg.com/564x/bc/71/16/bc711693712e4377a5ebb06ad6bd9f4d.jpg)

Mah...it is not that the new class of federation spaceships I like very much :^
Title: Re: star trek discover
Post by: Bowsy 112 on September 25, 2017, 08:03:06 AM
Watching the first episode now, so far, not impressed.
Title: Re: star trek discover
Post by: Khnum on September 25, 2017, 11:44:32 AM
give me the link and tell you :yes:
Title: Re: star trek discover
Post by: Bowsy 112 on September 25, 2017, 02:21:11 PM
Watching on Netflix mate.
Title: Re: star trek discover
Post by: NG on October 02, 2017, 03:31:39 PM
Saw the first two ep's yesterday - YAY!!! for being able to actually watch i LEGALLY on Netflix.

Not sure what to think though.
Without spoiling anything, I'd say that the writers need to work more with the characters. They felt a bit on the thin side and the story didn't really grab a hold of me as I remember the other series, TNG, VOY and ENTdid... but I sure am willing to give it a go for now.
Title: Re: star trek discover
Post by: Khnum on October 02, 2017, 03:59:55 PM
I saw an episode yesterday from a friend of mine on netflix ... and it is not bad I would say! :D
Title: Re: star trek discover
Post by: NG on October 02, 2017, 04:56:26 PM
Just saw ep 3 and, well, let's just say that -Jason Isaacs' char and performance saves a lot if not all  >(

Apart from that there were some familiar faces from BSG as well as from Expanse ;)
Title: Re: star trek discover
Post by: Khnum on October 02, 2017, 05:52:28 PM
Well, it's obvious that some faces come from other series, for the rest I can not wait to follow the series :yes:
Title: Re: star trek discover
Post by: Bowsy 112 on October 02, 2017, 08:19:26 PM
I have yet to watch episode three of the series. But I feel that I should note, unlike previous series that have been released in my lifetime. I have not even thought about staying up to date.
Title: Re: star trek discover
Post by: elflord on October 09, 2017, 12:53:14 PM
did not like what I saw this show was no way as good as the original star trek this show needs some serious improvement and is far to pc for my liking.
Title: Re: star trek discover
Post by: Skrevski on October 09, 2017, 01:34:22 PM
I am still in between on it. Some parts have been really good, others not so much. I think I just need to watch a few more episodes to be sure.
Title: Re: star trek discover
Post by: Khnum on October 09, 2017, 01:59:38 PM
The series is trying to show its skeleton, it's normal after a few bouts .... do not get bored. :D
Title: Re: star trek discover
Post by: DanielRyder on November 14, 2017, 08:14:02 PM
Trying to find the wayward thread but lost it for a min there  :fp  :lol

Saw the recent episode of Star Trek Discovery and can I just say...two words...
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Show was alright. Episodes got a bit better each time it aired. Characters were sub par. Not so great.
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Favorite character so far?
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Title: Re: star trek discover
Post by: Troy on November 14, 2017, 09:09:54 PM
I enjoyed the first half of DISCO season 1. Certainly edgier than even DS9, it's enjoyable and still has identifiable Trek elements.

Lorca is certainly a unique captain for Star Trek.


What do you think of the fan theory that Voq=Tyler?
Title: Re: star trek discover
Post by: DanielRyder on November 14, 2017, 09:17:51 PM

What do you think of the fan theory that Voq=Tyler?

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Title: Re: star trek discover
Post by: NG on November 15, 2017, 12:50:55 AM
I enjoyed the first half of DISCO season 1. Certainly edgier than even DS9, it's enjoyable and still has identifiable Trek elements.

Lorca is certainly a unique captain for Star Trek.


What do you think of the fan theory that Voq=Tyler?

That certainly was an interesting theory, and with the line "What did you do to me?" fits that theory pretty well  :yes:

And yes, I think the show is getting better by the episode. Still only reaching a 'Good' on my scale, having a bit to work with to reach 'Great'.

Thoughts on the discussion Lorca and *forgets name but Lt Spore drive* had concerning other universes? Is it possible that this is yet another universe/time line?  :fp :lol

*off to edit the header of this thread so that people know it contains spoilers*
Title: Re: star trek discover *SPOILER ALERT*
Post by: Khnum on November 15, 2017, 04:53:12 AM
Cursed ... you will kill me with these spoilers .... we have not yet arrived the dubious series in Italian .... >:D
Title: Re: star trek discover *SPOILER ALERT*
Post by: Bowsy 112 on November 15, 2017, 04:56:04 AM
I will admit. I am starting to like the show as it progresses. Though. It dosnt feel like star trek to me. (At least not when thinking that its set 10  years before TOS.) Things are to advanved and stuff. If it were set, say after Star Trek nemisis it would be fine.

I do.like it. More or less. I am not a huge fan of Bernham. Or Tyler. Though I find them very interesting. I am starting to like Lorca. Its nice to see a more military angled captain for once. Even if he dose some dodgy things.

Though. Now. After Lorca's actions at the end of the latest episode. It is starting to feel like SGU. Which isnt bad. Yet.
Title: Re: star trek discover *SPOILER ALERT*
Post by: NG on November 15, 2017, 04:56:59 AM
Well, hence me editing the header... so now you have been warned.  :P :)
Title: Re: star trek discover *SPOILER ALERT*
Post by: DanielRyder on November 15, 2017, 06:35:39 AM
oops, my bad. Sorry Khnum

Thoughts on the discussion Lorca and *forgets name but Lt Spore drive* had concerning other universes? Is it possible that this is yet another universe/time line?  :fp :lol

Lieutenant Stamets  :D Though Lt Spore drive sounds better.  :lol But we'll just have to see...
Title: Re: star trek discover *SPOILER ALERT*
Post by: Khnum on November 15, 2017, 07:40:29 AM
I will kill you for all spoilers .... >:D
Title: Re: star trek discover *SPOILER ALERT*
Post by: NG on November 15, 2017, 12:15:37 PM
Well, no one is forcing you to check in here every now and then, Khnum!  :P :W :W
Title: Re: star trek discover *SPOILER ALERT*
Post by: Cipherhornet18 on November 15, 2017, 02:01:34 PM
No, but if you look at latest posts, these are going to pop up in that list.
Title: Re: star trek discover *SPOILER ALERT*
Post by: Khnum on November 20, 2017, 03:25:33 AM
I did not resist and I looked at some youtube scene ... I never did
Title: Re: star trek discover *SPOILER ALERT*
Post by: Bowsy 112 on November 20, 2017, 06:43:27 AM
Has anybody else noticed that the show is very lieutenant Heavy?

Not saying its a bad thing and I know that pretty much all Star Trek's bar enterprise were Lieutenant heavy. But I just find it, interesting. from a writing point of view. At the very least I would expect some promotions even to Lieutenant Commander or something for those that are head of departments.

Title: Re: star trek discover *SPOILER ALERT*
Post by: Khnum on December 07, 2017, 02:33:08 PM
I must admit that following the events from the eyes of someone who is not the captain is really splendid :yes:
Title: Re: star trek discover *SPOILER ALERT*
Post by: NG on January 24, 2018, 04:18:28 PM
Just saw ep 12 and was
O M G !!!

It was good before, but now getting even better by the episode.  :yes:

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Questions, questions, questions  :fp :lol
Title: Re: star trek discover *SPOILER ALERT*
Post by: Bowsy 112 on January 24, 2018, 05:30:53 PM
I have to be honest, I am not a fan of all the changes, I feel a lot of Discovery is being written as if it were in the Prime Universe, with it looking more like the Abrams Universe, as I have said to many friends, its not a bad show, but it dosnt feel like Star Trek.

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Title: Re: star trek discover *SPOILER ALERT*
Post by: Khnum on January 26, 2018, 03:36:52 PM
I do not find it so bad ... of course I'm not seeing it in continuity because of the difficulty in finding the episodes in streaming :)
Title: Re: star trek discover *SPOILER ALERT*
Post by: Rob on February 27, 2018, 06:45:26 PM
Loved this series. So glad Trek is back, and back in the Prime universe. I can't wait to see where they go in season 2.